Rogue PvP guide

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Rogues are energy-based melee assassins built around combo points, finishers and stealth openers. Forever gives them Shank (an off-hand strike from the trainer at 24), Mutilate (the Assassination capstone at level 40) and Venom (an Assassination talent that makes Shank boost your poisons), the Combat talents Coup de Grace for harder Eviscerates, Puncturing Wounds for Backstab crits and Flawless Execution, which makes Eviscerate cheaper, and Death Mark, Subtlety's capstone finisher.

Assassination Rogue PVP guide

Assassination PvP at 20 is about burst: Malice adds crit to Ambush, Backstab and Eviscerate, three points in Improved Gouge lengthen the only incapacitate you can use mid-fight, and three points in Coup de Grace, in Combat's first tier, make a 5-point Eviscerate hit hard. You have no stuns, Vanish or Blind yet, so choose fights you can end quickly and leave the rest. At 30 the build becomes a Cheap Shot, Kidney Shot and Cold Blood burst, and Mutilate joins it at 40.

Burst

Stealth: Approach from behind a target that is busy with a mob or already hurt; rank 2 slows you by 40%.
Ambush: With a main-hand dagger, open from behind for 250% weapon damage plus a flat bonus; Malice adds crit chance.
Backstab: Keep hitting from behind while the target turns around: 150% weapon damage plus a flat bonus.
Sinister Strike: Build from the front once the target faces you; it works with any weapon.
Eviscerate: Finish at 4 or 5 points, or earlier if the target is low enough to kill before a heal lands; Coup de Grace makes it your biggest hit.

Control

Sap: Sap an out-of-combat player for up to 25 sec to take a second enemy out before you engage, or to slip past. Blizzard's notes say Sap flags you for PvP when the target is PvP-flagged.
Gouge: Stops the target for 4 sec, longer with Improved Gouge. Use it to cut off a cast when Kick is on cooldown or to let Energy refill. The target must face you, and any damage breaks it.
Kick: Save it for a heal or a key spell; that school stays locked for 5 sec, so a Priest Kicked out of a heal can't Smite either.

Staying alive

Evasion: 50% more dodge for 15 sec. Use it as soon as a melee class or a pet starts landing hits, not when you're already low.
Sprint: 50% more speed for 15 sec, and it doesn't break Stealth. At 20 it's your main way out of a lost fight.
Gouge: Gouge, then run: the target can't chase you for 4 sec, and Sprint carries you out of range.

Battlegrounds

Your job in a battleground is to remove healers and casters, not to trade blows with a Warrior. Stay in Stealth at the edge of the fight, pick a healer or the healer keeping an enemy flag carrier alive, and open with Ambush; Kick the next heal and Gouge the one after. When your team defends a flag or a control point, wait there in Stealth: Sap the first enemy who walks in out of combat and fight the second, which buys time for help to arrive. Don't carry flags as Assassination at this level; without Vanish or stuns you drop quickly once you're focused. Blizzard has announced Darkspear Islands, a new 15 vs 15 battleground off the coast of Kalimdor for levels 30–60 that mixes control points with Arathi Basin-style flag captures, and the client also has Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin and Alterac Valley maps, but which of them open at launch, and in which level brackets, hasn't been confirmed.

Open-world PvP

On the PvP ruleset you choose most fights, so choose well. Look for enemies fighting a mob or low on health, approach in Stealth from behind and Ambush; if they're at full health and you can't win fast, let them pass. When you're jumped, don't spend Energy on damage first: Evasion against a melee class, Gouge, then Sprint away and break line of sight around trees and buildings against casters. At 20 you have no Vanish, so an escape means outrunning them. Near quest mobs, wait until your target is busy with a mob before you open, so they can't turn and fight you at full strength. On a Normal ruleset realm, Blizzard's note applies: sapping a PvP-flagged player flags you for PvP too.

Matchups

vs Warrior: Warriors hit hard, Charge in with a short stun and Hamstring you so you can't leave. Charge can't be used in combat, so opening from Stealth takes it away. Overpower only works after you dodge, so Evasion helps less against a Warrior than against other melee; keep it for when you're low. Retaliation, from level 20, strikes back at melee attacks for 15 sec but not at attacks from behind, so stay behind them or Gouge and wait it out. They can Disarm you from 18, so burst early, before their Rage builds.
vs Mage: Mages freeze you in place with Frost Nova, sheep you with Polymorph and, from level 20, Blink out of stuns and roots; Ice Lance hits Frozen targets far harder. Open with Ambush so the fight starts in melee, Kick the Frostbolt or Polymorph when you reach them, and Gouge the next cast. If you're frozen, don't burn Sprint while you can't move: wait out the freeze, then Sprint to close the gap.
vs Priest: Priests absorb damage with Power Word: Shield, heal, and at close range Psychic Scream sends up to 2 nearby enemies fleeing. Break the shield with Ambush and Backstab, then Kick the first heal: the Holy lockout stops Smite as well. Expect Psychic Scream when they're low, and keep your Eviscerate until you're back in range.
vs Warlock: Warlocks Fear you for up to 10 sec, stack Corruption and Bane of Agony, and let their demon chew on you. Kill the Warlock, not the demon. Kick the Fear: it's Shadow like Shadow Bolt, so one Kick locks out both. Open from behind and keep them in melee, because every second you spend feared or at range, their damage keeps ticking.
vs Hunter: Hunters want range: Concussive Shot and Wing Clip slow you, their pet holds you, and from level 20 Freezing Trap can lock you down for up to 10 sec. Open from Stealth as close as you can and stay on the Hunter. Use Evasion when the pet and the Hunter are both hitting you, and Gouge the Hunter, not the pet. A Hunter running in Aspect of the Cheetah is dazed when damaged, so they're easy to catch.
vs Shaman: Shamans heal, interrupt with Earth Shock, slow you with Earthbind Totem and, from level 20, Frost Shock, and can remove your poisons with Cure Poison. Kick Healing Wave: the Nature lockout stops Lightning Bolt too. Earthbind Totem has only 5 health, so one hit frees you, or step out of its range. Keep the pressure on; a Shaman who gets free casts will out-heal you.
vs Paladin: Paladins are the hardest fight at 20. Hammer of Justice stuns you, Divine Protection makes them immune to your attacks for 6 sec, Lay on Hands heals them to full, and from level 20 Voice of Truth makes them immune to interrupts for 6 sec. Don't Kick into Voice of Truth and don't burst into Divine Protection; they can't attack while it lasts, so back off and let it run out. Purify can remove your poisons. Once Divine Protection and Lay on Hands are used, they have few answers left.
vs Druid: Druids root you with Entangling Roots, stun with Bash, and from level 20 prowl in Cat Form. Shifting form frees them from slows, and Faerie Fire stops you from using Stealth while it's on you. Kick Healing Touch: the Nature lockout stops Wrath too. Against a Cat, the rule is the same as against a Rogue: whoever opens first usually wins.
vs Rogue: Another Rogue at 20 has the same Sap, Gouge, Kick, Evasion and Sprint, and no stuns or Vanish either. Whoever opens first usually wins, so move slowly in Stealth where fights happen. If you're opened on, Evasion at once, Gouge them, step behind and Backstab when your Energy is full.

Stats

Agility, Stamina, Critical Strike, Hit, Attack Power, Strength. Stamina matters far more than in dungeons: with no Vanish or stun at 20, surviving the counterattack is what lets you finish the kill. Agility and Critical Strike feed the burst that Malice builds on, and some Hit keeps Gouge and Kick from missing. Among weapons, a hard-hitting main-hand dagger still comes first, for Ambush and Backstab.

PvP stat weights (ForeverDB's own, not Blizzard's; the same weights pick the Assassination PvP best in slot gear): weapon DPS 3, hit 1.1, Agility 1, crit 1, Stamina 0.9, expertise 0.8, haste 0.6, Strength 0.5, attack power 0.45, dodge 0.3, armor 0.03.

Tips

At 20 you have no Cheap Shot, Kidney Shot, Vanish or Blind: Vanish comes at 22, Cheap Shot at 26 and Kidney Shot at 30, and Blind comes at 34. Only start fights you can finish with an opener, a few builders and one or two Eviscerates.
Crippling Poison is taught from level 20, once you have the Poisons skill from the level 20 class quest. Keep it on a weapon so runners and kiting casters can't get away.
Garrote is the opener without a dagger, or against a target you expect to run: its bleed ticks for 18 sec whatever they do.
Blizzard's notes say Sap flags you for PvP when used on a PvP-flagged player, so on a Normal realm, sapping one opens you to attack.
Spend combo points before switching targets. They stay on the target you built them on.

Combat Rogue PVP guide

Combat is the Rogue that punishes melee in PvP at 20. Deflection raises your parry chance and opens Riposte, a cheap strike after a parry that disarms the attacker; Lightning Reflexes adds dodge, Precision helps Gouge and Kick land, and Coup de Grace makes your finisher hit harder. Against casters Riposte rarely comes up, so there it's Kick, Gouge and a fast Eviscerate. At 30 the build adds Improved Sprint, Endurance, Improved Kick, Flawless Execution, a point of Aggression and Blade Flurry.

Burst

Stealth: Approach from behind; rank 2 slows you by 40%.
Garrote: Opener with any weapon: an 18 sec bleed that keeps ticking while you fight. Use Ambush instead if you carry a main-hand dagger.
Sinister Strike: Main builder from any angle, so a target that turns to face you doesn't slow you down.
Riposte: Whenever it lights up after a parry: 150% weapon damage and a disarm, so a Warrior or Rogue loses most of their damage.
Eviscerate: Finish at 4 or 5 points; in a quick fight, don't wait for 5.
Slice and Dice: Only in longer duels: 1 point already gives 20% attack speed for 9 sec.

Control

Gouge: 4 sec to stop a cast when Kick is on cooldown, or to let Energy refill; then wait, because any damage breaks it.
Kick: Lock a healer out of that school for 5 sec; Kick the heal, not the first damage spell.
Sap: Up to 25 sec on an out-of-combat player, to remove a second enemy before you engage. Blizzard's notes say it flags you for PvP if they're PvP-flagged.

Staying alive

Evasion: 50% more dodge for 15 sec; against a melee class, press it early rather than at low health, while Deflection's parries keep feeding Riposte.
Sprint: 50% more speed for 15 sec; use it to escape or to run down a target that flees.
Gouge: Gouge, then Sprint: 4 sec is a head start most melee can't close.

Battlegrounds

Combat is the Rogue that can stay in a fight. Guard your healers: Gouge and Kick the caster who dives them, and let the Warrior or Rogue who turns on you run into Riposte's disarm. At 30, Endurance brings Evasion and Sprint back often enough to chase down an enemy flag carrier or to escort your own, and Improved Sprint clears the slows used to catch you. On a control point, Combat is the Rogue build most able to hold off a single melee attacker until help arrives. Blizzard has announced Darkspear Islands, a new 15 vs 15 battleground off the coast of Kalimdor for levels 30–60 with control points and Arathi Basin-style flag captures, and the client has Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin and Alterac Valley maps, but which of them open at launch, and in which level brackets, hasn't been confirmed.

Open-world PvP

Combat is the build for surviving ganks on the PvP ruleset. When a melee class opens on you, press Evasion at once, fight back with Sinister Strike and Eviscerate, and use Riposte every time it lights up. Against casters, close the gap and Kick; if you can't reach them, break line of sight and Sprint away. When you're the one hunting, open from Stealth with Garrote on a target already fighting a mob, and keep Sprint ready so they can't walk away. On a Normal ruleset realm, Sap flags you when the target is PvP-flagged.

Matchups

vs Warrior: Warriors want a long melee fight, and Combat can give them one. Opening from Stealth stops their Charge, which can't be used in combat. Overpower only works after you dodge, so Evasion helps less against them than against a Rogue, but every parry lights up Riposte, and a disarmed Warrior loses most of their damage. Retaliation, from level 20, strikes back at your melee attacks for 15 sec unless you're behind them: Gouge and step behind, or stop attacking until it ends. From 18 they can Disarm you for 10 sec; Gouge and wait rather than fighting at a loss.
vs Rogue: The mirror match: the same Sap, Gouge, Kick, Evasion and Sprint, with no stuns or Vanish at 20. Riposte is your edge: a parry lets you disarm them, so a long face-to-face fight favours you. When they press Evasion, Gouge them and wait it out, then attack again once it ends.
vs Mage: A Mage wants you frozen and far away. Frost Nova holds you in place, Polymorph takes you out for up to 20 sec, and from level 20 Blink frees them from stuns and roots. Open close with Garrote, Kick the first Frostbolt or Polymorph, and Gouge the next cast. Mana Shield soaks your physical damage by draining their mana, so keep hitting.
vs Priest: Priests shield, heal and scatter you with Psychic Scream, which sends up to 2 nearby enemies fleeing. Kick the heal: the Holy lockout stops Smite too. Keep Sprint to get back on them after the Scream, and Gouge the next heal.
vs Warlock: Warlocks Fear you for up to 10 sec and stack Corruption and Bane of Agony while their demon attacks. Kill the Warlock first. Kick the Fear: it's Shadow like Shadow Bolt, so one Kick locks out both. Combat's staying power helps here, because the fight is decided by how long you stay in melee.
vs Hunter: Stay in melee. Concussive Shot and Wing Clip slow you, Freezing Trap from level 20 can hold you for up to 10 sec, and Scorpid Sting from 22 lowers your hit. Use Evasion when the pet and the Hunter are both on you, and Sprint to close the gap once a slow wears off. At 30, Improved Sprint clears their slows when you press it.
vs Shaman: Kick Healing Wave; the Nature lockout stops Lightning Bolt as well. Earthbind Totem has only 5 health, so kill it, and expect Frost Shock from level 20. Shamans can remove poisons with Cure Poison, so don't count on them staying on.
vs Paladin: A long fight against a Paladin at 20 is hard. Hammer of Justice stuns you, Divine Protection makes them immune for 6 sec, Lay on Hands heals them to full, and Voice of Truth, from level 20, makes them immune to interrupts for 6 sec. Don't waste Kick into Voice of Truth. Let Divine Protection run out, since they can't attack during it, then press again.
vs Druid: Druids root you with Entangling Roots, stun with Bash and shift out of slows. Faerie Fire stops you from using Stealth while it's on you. Kick Healing Touch, which locks out Wrath too, and use Evasion against a Druid in Cat or Bear Form.

Stats

Agility, Stamina, Hit, Critical Strike, Attack Power, Strength. Stamina is worth far more than in dungeons, because Combat's plan is to outlast the enemy. Hit comes next, so Gouge and Kick land when they matter. Agility stays your main stat, and Dodge on gear stacks with Lightning Reflexes and Evasion. Weapon damage still matters most for Sinister Strike and Riposte.

PvP stat weights (ForeverDB's own, not Blizzard's; the same weights pick the Combat PvP best in slot gear): weapon DPS 3.5, hit 1.2, Agility 1, Stamina 0.9, crit 0.9, expertise 0.9, haste 0.6, Strength 0.5, dodge 0.5, attack power 0.45, parry 0.2, armor 0.04.

Tips

Riposte only lights up after a parry, so it's a melee-fight tool: against a Warrior, Rogue, Paladin or Shaman, each parry means a cheap hit and a disarm. Against casters, lean on Kick and Gouge.
Gouge, then wait: any damage breaks it, so let your Energy refill and strike just before it ends. With a main-hand dagger you can step behind the target during the Gouge and hit it with Backstab.
Slice and Dice is optional in PvP. Use it in a duel that will last; in a quick kill, put every point into Eviscerate.
A sword, mace, axe or fist weapon lets you fight from any angle with Sinister Strike. A dagger adds Ambush and Backstab but needs you behind the target, which players rarely allow for long.
Precision gives 2% more hit at 2/3 in this build and 3% at 3/3 in the level 30 build, so Hit on gear still matters.

Subtlety Rogue PVP guide

Subtlety is the stealth opener spec. At 20 the PvP build takes Master of Deception to reach a target unseen, Opportunity and Improved Ambush so the opener hits hard and often crits, and Premeditation for 2 free combo points before it. Ghostly Strike moved to tier 4 in the 4 November build, so it joins at 30. Compared with the dungeon build it takes Master of Deception and Premeditation instead of Dirty Tricks and Serrated Blades: the plan is to win in the first few seconds, and to leave if you don't.

Burst

Stealth: Get behind a busy or hurt target; rank 2 slows you by 40%.
Premeditation: Before Ambush: 2 combo points you must use within 20 sec, so the opener leaves you on 3.
Ambush: 250% weapon damage plus a flat bonus with a main-hand dagger; Improved Ambush makes it crit far more often and Opportunity adds damage.
Backstab: Keep striking from behind while the target turns: 150% weapon damage plus a flat bonus, and Opportunity adds damage.
Sinister Strike: Build from the front once they face you.
Eviscerate: Finish as soon as your points can kill; don't hold out for 5 while a heal might land.

Control

Sap: Up to 25 sec on an out-of-combat player, and it doesn't break Stealth, so you can Sap one enemy and Ambush another. Blizzard's notes say it flags you when the target is PvP-flagged.
Gouge: 4 sec to stop a cast or refill Energy; the target must face you, and any damage breaks it.
Kick: A 5 sec lockout on a heal or a key spell; save it for the cast that matters.

Staying alive

Evasion: 50% more dodge for 15 sec when a melee class catches you after a failed opener.
Sprint: 50% more speed for 15 sec without breaking Stealth: use it to reach a target unseen, or to escape.
Gouge: Gouge and run when the opener fails: 4 sec is a good head start with Sprint.

Battlegrounds

Subtlety is the battleground hunter. Roam in Stealth, pick off healers and casters who drift away from their group, and Sap a defender waiting at a flag or control point so you can deal with the defenders one at a time. Restealth as soon as a kill is done, so you can choose the next target. Stay out of big melee brawls; your damage comes in bursts and your defences are thin. Blizzard has announced Darkspear Islands, a new 15 vs 15 battleground off the coast of Kalimdor for levels 30–60 that combines control points with Arathi Basin-style flag captures, and the client has Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin and Alterac Valley maps, but which of them open at launch, and in which level brackets, hasn't been confirmed.

Open-world PvP

Subtlety is built for open-world hunting on the PvP ruleset. Move in Stealth, let your target pull a mob or drop to half health, then Ambush from behind; Master of Deception makes you harder to spot as you close in. If the first seconds don't go your way, leave: Gouge, Sprint and find another target. When you're ganked yourself, press Evasion first against melee, and remember you have no Vanish at 20. Around quest hubs and mob camps, Sap one of a pair of enemy players before you open on the other. On a Normal ruleset realm, Sap flags you for PvP when used on a PvP-flagged player.

Matchups

vs Mage: The opener decides this one. Ambush from behind and keep hitting before the Mage can Frost Nova and step away; Blink, from level 20, frees them from roots and stuns. Kick the first Polymorph or Frostbolt and Gouge the next cast. Ice Lance hits Frozen targets far harder, so a Mage who freezes you will try to burst you down.
vs Priest: Power Word: Shield absorbs part of your Ambush, so follow up fast with Backstab. Kick the first heal, which locks out Smite too, and expect Psychic Scream, which sends up to 2 nearby enemies fleeing, when they get low. Sprint back in after the Scream.
vs Warlock: Open on the Warlock, not the demon, and stay in melee. Fear lasts up to 10 sec and Corruption and Bane of Agony keep ticking while you run. Kick the Fear: it's Shadow like Shadow Bolt, so one Kick locks out both.
vs Hunter: Hunters are strongest at range with their pet on you. Open as close as you can, stay on the Hunter, and Evasion when the pet and the Hunter are both hitting you. Freezing Trap, from level 20, holds you for up to 10 sec, so don't chase a Hunter back over ground they've had time to prepare.
vs Warrior: A crit Ambush takes a big bite out of a Warrior before their Rage builds, and opening from Stealth stops Charge, which can't be used in combat. Overpower punishes your dodges, so Evasion is weaker here. If the opener doesn't put them low, don't trade blows: Gouge, Sprint and leave before Hamstring lands.
vs Paladin: Divine Protection makes them immune for 6 sec, Lay on Hands heals them to full and Hammer of Justice stuns you, so a single burst rarely kills a Paladin at 20. Don't Ambush into a Paladin at full health unless you can outlast those cooldowns. Voice of Truth, from level 20, makes them immune to Kick for 6 sec.
vs Shaman: Ambush, then Kick the first Healing Wave; the Nature lockout stops Lightning Bolt too. Kill Earthbind Totem, which has only 5 health, and expect Frost Shock from level 20. Cure Poison can remove your poisons.
vs Druid: Druids from level 20 can prowl in Cat Form, and Faerie Fire stops you from using Stealth while it's on you. Entangling Roots and Bash hold you, and shifting form frees them from slows. Kick Healing Touch, which locks out Wrath as well.
vs Rogue: Whoever opens first usually wins. Master of Deception makes you harder for them to spot, but it doesn't help you spot them, so move slowly through contested areas. If you're opened on, Evasion at once, then Gouge and Backstab once your Energy is full.

Stats

Agility, Stamina, Critical Strike, Hit, Attack Power, Strength. Stamina matters because a failed opener means taking the counterattack with no stun or Vanish at 20. Agility and Critical Strike make Ambush and Backstab land harder and crit more often, and Hit keeps the opener, Gouge and Kick from missing. A hard-hitting main-hand dagger comes before any stat.

PvP stat weights (ForeverDB's own, not Blizzard's; the same weights pick the Subtlety PvP best in slot gear): weapon DPS 3, Agility 1, Stamina 1, hit 1, crit 0.9, expertise 0.7, attack power 0.5, Strength 0.5, haste 0.5, dodge 0.4, armor 0.04.

Tips

Improved Ambush only pays if Ambush lands: approach from directly behind, and use Sprint in Stealth to close the last stretch before the target moves.
After a fight, restealth as soon as you can, so nobody catches you standing at half health for long.
Master of Deception at 3/3 makes enemies detect you as if you were 3 levels higher, which matters most against players of your own level.
Sap doesn't break Stealth in Forever: against two enemies, Sap one and Ambush the other.
If your openers keep failing against melee classes, move the Improved Ambush points into Setup: at 2/3 it adds a combo point on 30% of the attacks you dodge from your target, and only your target's attacks count. Evasion gives you plenty of dodges in a one-on-one fight.

Checked against WoW Forever build 1.60.1.70862.

Best in slot gear at any level: Assassination PvP, Combat PvP, Subtlety PvP

Rogue abilities

Vanished
Eviscerate (level 1)
Sinister Strike (level 1)
Stealth (level 1)
Backstab (level 4)
Pick Pocket (level 4)
Gouge (level 6)
Evasion (level 8)
Sap (level 10)
Slice and Dice (level 10)
Sprint (level 10)
Kick (level 12)
Expose Armor (level 14)
Garrote (level 14)
Feint (level 16)
Ambush (level 18)
Poised (level 18)
Rupture (level 20)
Distract (level 22)
Vanish (level 22)
Detect Traps (level 24)
Shank (level 24)
Cheap Shot (level 26)
Disarm Trap (level 30)
Kidney Shot (level 30)
Blind (level 34)
Safe Fall (level 40)

No longer trainer abilities in the live client

Coup de Grace

Common questions

What's the best race for a Rogue in WoW Forever?

It depends on your faction and spec. ForeverDB's best race for each class lists the picks, and every racial is on the races page. Forever reworked most racials, so Classic advice does not carry over.

Alliance:
- Human: Ruthless adds 1% critical strike chance to all spells and attacks, Will to Survive instantly removes all stuns, and Perception sharply raises stealth detection for 20 sec.
- Night Elf: Quickness adds 1% dodge and 2% movement speed and makes you harder to detect in Stealth, Elune's Light adds 10% critical strike chance for 15 sec, and Shadowmeld drops you out of sight.
- Gnome: Eureka! makes your non-periodic damaging abilities cost 10% less Energy and deal 10% more damage for 8 sec, and Escape Artist frees you from snares and roots.

Horde:
- Orc: Blood Fury raises Attack Power and Spell Power by 10% for 15 sec, and Hardiness shortens stuns by 20%.
- Undead: Will of the Forsaken removes Charm, Fear and Sleep, and Touch of the Grave gives your hits a 20% chance to drain Health (up to 5% of your maximum).
- Troll: Berserking raises attack and casting speed by 10%, and Rapid Regeneration restores half your Health over 6 sec out of combat.

No race is uniquely best for a Rogue; pick for your spec and whether you PvP.

Sources: Which race to play: best races for every class · Races and racials · checked on build 1.60.1.70888

Is there a Rogue levelling guide for Forever?

Yes. ForeverDB has a full Rogue levelling guide built from the Forever client: which race to pick, every ability by level, what to press on one or several enemies, class quests, gear and dungeons, and the mistakes new Rogues make.

For talents, the Rogue builds page now has builds at levels 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 for all three trees (Combat, Assassination and Subtlety), with levelling, group and PvP versions, the reason for every point and a talent calculator, all checked against the current client. Combat is the most forgiving to level with: any one-handed weapon works and you don't need to stand behind the mob.

Everything Forever changed for Rogues is on the Rogue changes page.

Sources: Leveling a Rogue · Rogue talent builds and rotations · Rogue changes in Forever · checked on build 1.60.1.70888

How much damage does Mutilate do and when do Rogues get it?

Yes, but at level 40 now, not 30. In the current build Mutilate sits at tier 7 of the Assassination tree and needs Venom at 1/1 first. The cap is 60, so you can reach it.

Rank 1, from the client: instantly attacks with both weapons for 90% weapon damage plus an extra 39 with each weapon, with the damage raised by 20% against poisoned targets, and it awards 2 combo points. It costs 60 Energy. Higher ranks add more flat damage (Rank 2 plus 56, Rank 3 plus 79).

Mutilate needs a dagger in each hand even though the tooltip doesn't say so, and there's no positional requirement, so you don't have to stand behind the target. Everything Forever reworked for Rogues is on the Rogue changes page.

Sources: Mutilate (Forever client) · Rogue changes in Forever · Leveling a Rogue · checked on build 1.60.1.70862

The whole FAQ

Data from the WoW Forever client, build 1.60.1.70888, extracted 2026-11-11.