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Gnomeregan
Gnomeregan is a level 29–38 dungeon in Dun Morogh in World of Warcraft: Forever, with 5 bosses.
Dungeon. Levels 29–38 (Forever client: group finder). 5 players (Forever client). Enter from level 19.
Getting there
- Entrance: Dun Morogh (17.7, 39.1) (Forever client)
- Nearest flight master (Alliance): Tidegear Coast, Dun Morogh
Map
A map of Gnomeregan with 2 floors (Part 1: Viscous Fallout, Crowd Pummeler 9-60 ..., Part 2: Electrocutioner 6000), stitched from the Forever client's own minimap art (Forever client), with the bosses numbered in the order the client gives (their spots are Classic spawn data until players confirm them in Forever).
The map shows 108 packs of 248 mobs and 17 patrol paths, 32 of the packs marked high danger, with what each pack holds, what to watch for and suggested marks (Classic data from CMaNGOS: Forever may have moved them).


Gnomeregan
A full clear takes about 53 min (median of 3 completed group runs, seen in WoW Forever); the best is 33:19, and most clears take 33–54 min at levels 30–35.
Worth it for: Spidertank Oilrag (top pick for Affliction Warlock and 13 more specs at level 30/40); Glass Shooter (top pick for Arms Warrior and 7 more specs at level 30); Wand of Eventide (top pick for Affliction Warlock and 6 more specs at level 30).
How to run it
How Classic's Gnomeregan plays, from well-established Classic strategy. It is not yet checked against Forever's own version of the fights.
The gnomes' irradiated home city in Dun Morogh, run by five players in their early 30s. The bosses are mechanical or leper-gnome fights, with Thermaplugg at the end of a long route past the trogg and leper trash.
Before you go
- Level: Level 29 to 38 in Classic, with 25 recommended.
- Group: 5 players.
- Getting in: The entrance is in Dun Morogh.
- Keys: The Workshop Key opens the Workshop door, which leads to Mekgineer Thermaplugg. Get it before you go there, or bring a rogue to pick the lock.
- Bring: Food and drink; Cures for poison and disease if you have them
- Who you need: A tank who can hold several adds at once; A healer with mana for long pulls; Crowd control for the mechanical packs; Interrupts for lightning casters
- Also: The bosses below are in the dungeon data's order, not route order. Several fights have a gimmick on the way in, so check the notes before each pull.
Trash
- The leper gnomes and mechanical packs come in groups: pull in small groups and kill casters first.
- Poison and disease are common here: bring cures if you can.
- Rest after each boss: the route is long.
Bosses
5 bosses, in the client's order (Forever client).
1. Viscous Fallout

A radioactive ooze. He is a tank-and-spank fight with no abilities listed in the dungeon data.
- Pull him with the tank ready and the group close together.
- Kill him.
- Rest, then continue.
Tank
- Hold him still and keep the group within healing range.
Healers
- Keep the tank healed and watch the group's health for small attacks.
Damage dealers
- Burn him down: there is no gimmick in the data.
What wipes groups
- Pulling extra packs.
7 kills recorded (seen in WoW Forever: players' ForeverDB Helper and Companion addons, each kill once); a kill takes about 18 sec (best 15 sec, 7 kills); 0 wipes per kill (3 kills).
Loot
- Toxic Revenger (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 4 of 6 kills, 67%)
- Hydrocane (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Acidic Walkers (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Bubbling Water (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Robo-mechanical Guts (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 6 kills, 33%)
- Wool Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 6 kills, 33%)
- Silk Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 6 kills, 33%)
- Item 785 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Melon Juice (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Copper Modulator (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Grime-Encrusted Object (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Item 15285 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Scroll: WUBBA WUBBA (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
- Item 252814 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 6 kills, 17%)
2. Electrocutioner 6000

A mechanical boss with lightning attacks. He hits a cone in front of him and bolts a random player.
- Pull him with the tank facing him away from the group.
- Interrupt Chain Bolt.
- Kill him.
Tank
- Face him away from the group: Megavolt hits a 60 degree cone in front of him.
Healers
- Shock hits a player who isn't the tank about every 19 seconds: heal through it.
Damage dealers
- Interrupt Chain Bolt when you can.
- Stay behind or beside him.
What wipes groups
- The group in front of him for the cone.
5 kills recorded (seen in WoW Forever: players' ForeverDB Helper and Companion addons, each kill once); a kill takes about 26 sec (best 19 sec, 5 kills).
Abilities
- Megavolt (Classic data): Inflicts 300 Nature damage to enemies in a cone in front of the caster. (Numbers at level 60; they grow with your level.)
- Shock (Classic data): Instantly throws a bolt of lightning at an enemy, inflicting Nature damage.
- Chain Bolt (Classic data): Strikes an enemy with a lightning bolt that arcs to another nearby enemy. The spell affects up to 3 targets, causing 138 to 156 Nature damage to each.
Tank tips (Classic data)
- Face Electrocutioner 6000 away from the group: Megavolt hits a 60° cone in front of it about every 21 sec.
Healer tips (Classic data)
- Shock hits a player who isn't the tank about every 19 sec.
Damage tips (Classic data)
- Attack from behind or the side (Megavolt hits in front).
- Interrupt Chain Bolt (2.5 sec cast, Nature damage on one player).
Loot
- Spidertank Oilrag (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 5 of 5 kills, 100%)
- Electrocutioner Leg (seen in WoW Forever)
- Phalanx Headguard (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Workshop Key (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Robo-mechanical Guts (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Electrocutioner Lagnut (Classic data, 40%)
- Security DELTA Data Access Card (Classic data, 1%)
- Grime-Encrusted Object (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Wool Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 1711 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 1828 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Silk Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 11138 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 277486 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
3. Crowd Pummeler 9-60

A large mechanical boss who pummels the group around him and swings in an arc. The group needs room to move.
- Pull him with the tank facing him away from the group.
- Ranged players stay beyond 10 yards.
- Kill him.
Tank
- Face him away from the group: Arcing Smash hits a cone in front.
- Expect your spell casts to be interrupted by Crowd Pummel.
Healers
- Crowd Pummel and Trample hit everyone close to him every 25 seconds or so: heal after each.
Damage dealers
- Ranged: stay more than 10 yards away from him.
- Casters: don't stand in the pummel range or your spells will be interrupted.
What wipes groups
- A healer standing close to him.
5 kills recorded (seen in WoW Forever: players' ForeverDB Helper and Companion addons, each kill once); a kill takes about 22 sec (best 20 sec, 5 kills).
Abilities
- Crowd Pummel (Classic data): Pummels nearby enemies for normal damage plus 10 and interrupts any spell being cast 75% of the time for 5 sec.
- Trample (Classic data): Inflicts normal damage plus 60 to nearby enemies. (Numbers at level 60; they grow with your level.)
- Arcing Smash (Classic data): Lashes out in a vicious arc, inflicting damage to enemies in a cone in front of the caster.
Tank tips (Classic data)
- Face Crowd Pummeler 9-60 away from the group: Arcing Smash hits a 90° cone in front of it about every 13 sec.
Healer tips (Classic data)
- Crowd Pummel hits everyone within 10 yards about every 25 sec.
- Trample hits everyone within 10 yards about every 25 sec.
Damage tips (Classic data)
- Ranged: stay more than 10 yards away (Crowd Pummel).
- Ranged: stay more than 10 yards away (Trample).
- Attack from behind or the side (Arcing Smash hits in front).
Loot
- Manual Crowd Pummeler (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 3 of 5 kills, 60%)
- Gnomebot Operating Boots (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Thermaplugg Medal of Honor (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Emblazoned Buckler (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Robo-mechanical Guts (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Schematic: Lil' Smoky (Classic data, 2%)
- Security DELTA Data Access Card (Classic data, 1%)
- Silk Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Grime-Encrusted Object (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Item 1705 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Heavy Blasting Powder (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Scroll: OMIT KESA (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 274049 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
4. Mekgineer Thermaplugg

The last boss, a gnome who turns the room against the group. He knocks the group back and sets off bombs around the room.
- Pull him with a wall behind the tank.
- Stay clear of the bombs when he activates them.
- Kill the small adds that come from the room's bombs, then return to him.
Tank
- Stand with your back to a wall: Knock Away knocks you back.
- Move him if the bombs are on your side of the room.
Healers
- Knock Away hits everyone within 10 yards about every 12 seconds: heal after each.
Damage dealers
- Ranged: stay more than 10 yards away from Knock Away.
- Watch for bombs on the floor and move away.
What wipes groups
- The group standing in the bomb area, or a tank knocked into an add pack.
7 kills recorded (seen in WoW Forever: players' ForeverDB Helper and Companion addons, each kill once); a kill takes about 51 sec (best 39 sec, 7 kills); 0 wipes per kill (3 kills).
Abilities
- Knock Away (Classic data): Inflicts normal damage plus 30 to nearby enemies and knocks them back.
- Knock Away (Classic data): Inflicts normal damage plus 30 to an enemy and knocks it back.
- Activate Bomb B (Classic data)
- Activate Bomb A (Classic data)
Tank tips (Classic data)
- Knock Away knocks the tank back about every 12 sec: stand with your back to a wall.
Healer tips (Classic data)
- Knock Away hits everyone within 10 yards about every 12 sec.
Damage tips (Classic data)
- Ranged: stay more than 10 yards away (Knock Away).
Loot
- Electromagnetic Gigaflux Reactivator (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 4 of 7 kills, 57%)
- Charged Gear (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 7 kills, 29%)
- Large Glowing Shard (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Thermaplugg's Central Core (seen in WoW Forever)
- Thermaplugg's Left Arm (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Conjurer's Shoes (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 7 kills, 29%)
- Archer's Gloves (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 7 kills, 29%)
- Mail Combat Spaulders (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Phalanx Boots (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Schematic: Shadow Goggles (seen in WoW Forever)
- Elder's Hat (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Elder's Mantle (seen in WoW Forever)
- Robo-mechanical Guts (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 7 kills, 29%)
- Silk Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 7 kills, 29%)
- Wool Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Grime-Encrusted Object (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Scroll of Spirit II (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Copper Modulator (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Schematic: Craftsman's Monocle (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Item 9826 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Scroll: OMIT KESA (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
- Item 251350 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 7 kills, 14%)
5. Grubbis

A leper gnome boss with his pet. The dungeon data lists no abilities for him: the fight is about handling both at once.
- Pull him with his pet Chomper and the tank ready.
- Kill the pet or crowd-control it.
- Kill him.
Tank
- Hold him and the pet together if you can.
Healers
- Keep the tank healed: two targets mean more damage on the tank.
Damage dealers
- Kill the pet first, then Grubbis.
What wipes groups
- Pet loose on the healer.
5 kills recorded (seen in WoW Forever: players' ForeverDB Helper and Companion addons, each kill once); a kill takes about 25 sec (best 23 sec, 5 kills).
Loot
- Grubbis Paws (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Grime-Encrusted Object (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Item 274043 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 3 of 5 kills, 60%)
- Silk Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Wool Cloth (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Robo-mechanical Guts (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 2 of 5 kills, 40%)
- Healing Potion (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Brocade Shoulderpads (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 1799 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 1828 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 3049 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Mutton Chop (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 4234 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 4999 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
- Item 248687 (seen in WoW Forever: dropped in 1 of 5 kills, 20%)
Loot from the dungeon
- Lambent Scale Girdle (seen in WoW Forever)
- Wand of Eventide (seen in WoW Forever)
- Silver-thread Boots (seen in WoW Forever)
- Sage's Bracers (seen in WoW Forever)
- Security DELTA Data Access Card (seen in WoW Forever)
- Ivycloth Robe (seen in WoW Forever)
- Durable Cape (seen in WoW Forever)
- Archer's Bracers (seen in WoW Forever)
- Healing Potion (seen in WoW Forever)
- Melon Juice (seen in WoW Forever)
- Lesser Mana Potion (seen in WoW Forever)
- Mutton Chop (seen in WoW Forever)
- Coarse Blasting Powder (seen in WoW Forever)
- Bronze Tube (seen in WoW Forever)
- Heavy Blasting Powder (seen in WoW Forever)
- Moist Cornbread (seen in WoW Forever)
- Fused Wiring (seen in WoW Forever)
- Essential Artificial (seen in WoW Forever)
- Grime-Encrusted Ring (seen in WoW Forever)
- Scroll: WUBBA WUBBA (seen in WoW Forever)
- Scroll: VOCE WELL (seen in WoW Forever)
- Waylaid Crate: Journeyman Curiosities (seen in WoW Forever)
- Reinforced Chain Shoulderpads (seen in WoW Forever)
- Brocade Shoulderpads (seen in WoW Forever)
- Tower Shield (seen in WoW Forever)
- Cross-stitched Bracers (seen in WoW Forever)
- Shiny Dirk (seen in WoW Forever)
- Emissary Cuffs (Classic data)
- Glass Shooter (Classic data)
- Royal Diplomatic Scepter (Classic data)
Quests
Save Techbot's Brain! (level 26, Alliance)
Bring Techbot's Memory Core to Tinkmaster Overspark in Ironforge.
Get it from: Tinkmaster Overspark, Ironforge (69.7, 50.2). (seen in WoW Forever)
Tinkmaster Overspark (level 26, Alliance)
Speak with Tinkmaster Overspark in Ironforge.
Get it from: Brother Sarno, Stormwind City (51.2, 48.4). (seen in WoW Forever)
Gnogaine (level 27, Alliance)
Use the Empty Leaden Collection Phial on Irradiated Invaders or Irradiated Pillagers to collect radioactive fallout. Once it is full, take it back to Ozzie Togglevolt in Kharanos.
Get it from: Ozzie Togglevolt, Dun Morogh (45.9, 49.3). (seen in WoW Forever)
The Day After (level 27, Alliance)
Speak with Ozzie Togglevolt in Kharanos.
Get it from: Gnoarn, Ironforge (69.4, 50.6). (seen in WoW Forever)
Castpipe's Task (level 28, Alliance)
Speak with Master Mechanic Castpipe in Ironforge.
Get it from: Gaxim Rustfizzle, Stonetalon Mountains (59.5, 67.1). (seen in WoW Forever)
A Fine Mess (level 30)
Escort Kernobee to the Clockwerk Run exit and then report to Scooty in Booty Bay.
Get it from: Kernobee. (seen in WoW Forever)
Data Rescue (level 30, Alliance)
Bring a Prismatic Punch Card to Master Mechanic Castpipe in Ironforge.
Get it from: Master Mechanic Castpipe, Ironforge (70.0, 48.5). (seen in WoW Forever)
Essential Artificials (level 30, Alliance)
Bring 12 Essential Artificials to Klockmort Spannerspan in Ironforge.
Get it from: Klockmort Spannerspan, Ironforge (68.2, 46.5). (seen in WoW Forever)
Gyrodrillmatic Excavationators (level 30, Alliance)
Bring twenty-four Robo-mechanical Guts to Shoni in Stormwind.
Get it from: Shoni the Shilent, Stormwind City (62.6, 34.3). (seen in WoW Forever)
Klockmort's Essentials (level 30, Alliance)
Speak with Klockmort Spannerspan in Ironforge.
Get it from: Mathiel, Darnassus (59.3, 45.3). (seen in WoW Forever)
More Sparklematic Action (level 30)
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
More Sparklematic Action (level 30)
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
The Only Cure is More Green Glow (level 30, Alliance)
Travel to Gnomeregan and bring back High Potency Radioactive Fallout. Be warned, the fallout is unstable and will collapse rather quickly. Ozzie will also require your Heavy Leaden Collection Phial when the task is complete.
Get it from: Ozzie Togglevolt, Dun Morogh (45.9, 49.3). (seen in WoW Forever)
The Sparklematic 5200! (level 30)
Insert a Grime-Encrusted Item into the Sparklematic 5200, and be sure to have three silver coins to start the machine.
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
The Sparklematic 5200! (level 30)
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
The Sparklematic 5200! (level 30)
Insert a Grime-Encrusted Item into the Sparklematic 5200, and be sure to have three silver coins to start the machine.
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
The Sparklematic 5200! (level 30)
Insert a Grime-Encrusted Item into the Sparklematic 5200, and be sure to have three silver coins to start the machine.
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
The Sparklematic 5200! (level 30)
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
The Sparklematic 5200! (level 30)
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
Grime-Encrusted Ring (level 34)
Figure out a way to remove the grime from the Grime-Encrusted Ring.
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
Return of the Ring (level 34, Alliance)
You may either keep the ring, or you may find the person responsible for the imprint and engravings on the inside of the band.
Get it from: unknown. (seen in WoW Forever)
Return of the Ring (level 34, Horde)
You may either keep the ring, or you may find the person responsible for the imprint and engravings on the inside of the band.
Get it from: unknown. (Classic data)
Chief Engineer Scooty (level 35, Horde)
Speak with Scooty in Booty Bay.
Get it from: Sovik, Orgrimmar (75.5, 25.4). (seen in WoW Forever)
Gnomer-gooooone! (level 35, Horde)
Wait for Scooty to calibrate the Goblin Transponder.
Get it from: Scooty, Stranglethorn Vale (27.6, 77.4). (seen in WoW Forever)
Rig Wars (level 35, Horde)
Retrieve the Rig Blueprints and Thermaplugg's Safe Combination from Gnomeregan and bring them to Nogg in Orgrimmar.
Get it from: Nogg, Orgrimmar (75.8, 25.4). (seen in WoW Forever)
The Grand Betrayal (level 35, Alliance)
Venture to Gnomeregan and kill Mekgineer Thermaplugg. Return to High Tinker Mekkatorque when the task is complete.
Get it from: High Tinker Mekkatorque, Ironforge (69.0, 48.9). (seen in WoW Forever)
Grime-Encrusted Ring: this item starts a quest.
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Other dungeons for these levels
- Stormwind Stockade (levels 24–32)
- Blackfathom Deeps (levels 24–32)
- Excavation Site: Wetlands (levels 26–33)
- City of Dalaran (levels 28–35)
- Razorfen Kraul (levels 29–38)
- Scarlet Monastery (levels 30–38)
Sources
The WoW Forever client (build 1.60.1.70938), what players' ForeverDB addons saw in Forever, runs players' ForeverDB Helper addons shared anonymously (clear times, kill times, wipes and drop rates, each boss kill counted once), Blizzard's posts, and for Classic instances CMaNGOS classic-db (GPL-3.0), labelled Classic data.
Not known yet
- Dungeon map: boss spots are Classic spawns (CMaNGOS); Forever may have moved them.